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EnigmaG
Senior Member
Donnerstag, 22. Januar 2015, 22:48
On the aquaero 5 only the fan 4 has the capability to control a fan/pump via PWM control signal.
Zitat
12. Einstellungen Regler (aquasuite/Gerätemenü)
aquasuite: Klicken Sie auf die Geräteseite „Regler“ unterhalb des zu konfigurierenden
Gerätes, um die Konfiguration der Regler vorzunehmen. Es werden
nur die aktuell konfigurierten Regler angezeigt, um neue Regler hinzuzufügen,
klicken Sie auf das Plus-Symbol oben rechts in der Reglerübersicht.
Gerätemenü: Wählen Sie „Regler“ aus der Menüliste aus und bestätigen Sie
durch Drücken der mittleren seitlichen Taste.
Hinweis zu Unterschieden in der Bedienung: In der aquasuite wird auf der
Seite „Regler“ auch die Zuordnung der Regler zu den Ausgängen vorgenommen.
Im Gerätemenü werden die Regler in der jeweiligen Ausgangskonfiguration
zugeordnet. Des Weiteren werden in der aquasuite zur besseren Übersicht
nur Regler angezeigt, denen sowohl eine Datenquelle als auch ein Ausgang
zugeordnet ist. Im Gerätemenü werden immer alle Regler angezeigt,
auch nicht konfigurierte Regler
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mandrix
Full Member
Freitag, 23. Januar 2015, 00:16
AE5 Port 4 is optional PWM or voltage.
AE6 Port 1-4 is optional PWM or voltage.
On the aquaero 5 only the fan 4 has the capability to control a fan/pump via PWM control signal.
How do you control speed using PWM? I couldn't see any option in the software and someone here said it would always be at 100% at pwm through Aquaro 5.
I can choose between Power Controlled, Speed Controlled or PWM Controlled. PWM always went 100 %
You need to use Aquasuite and set up a controller (such as a curve control) to tell the pump what speed to operate at. Yes, the voltage will remain fixed but that is the way all pwm works....the voltage is not varied but the software will signal the Fan 4 header according to the control you set up.
So go to the Controllers tab in Aquasuite and set up whatever type of control you wish to use. Myself, I prefer the curve controller using input from temperature sensors.
mandrix
Full Member
Mittwoch, 11. Februar 2015, 23:22
To follow up on this discussion.
The pump was at fault. Or rather Laings non-PWM standard production is at fault. I got it confirmed from Swiftech, that their pump does not follow PWM-Specifications, but they don't know how, why or what Laing changed, so they can't post how it deviates.
I talked a lot to both Aquaro staff and Swiftech, and they agree on it from both sides. What tricked me here is how it worked fine with Asus PWM control, but that is because it doesn't follow PWM specs either..
In short, he Pump does not advertise its "pull up" signal on pin 4 (the 5v control signal) and Aquaro can't control it / doesn't see it as PWM (it wasn't clear to me, but the result is the same).
It's nice when people try to help out, but I could do without the arrogance displayed by some. Don't help if you don't want to.
Some made a real effort and I applaud that. It's just often people are being total Jerks if someone else can't figure something new out.
There is a way to wire the 5v pull up circuit;
http://www.overclock.net/t/1474470/ocn-a…0#post_21956203
Dintid
Full Member
Mittwoch, 11. Februar 2015, 23:32
To follow up on this discussion.
The pump was at fault. Or rather Laings non-PWM standard production is at fault. I got it confirmed from Swiftech, that their pump does not follow PWM-Specifications, but they don't know how, why or what Laing changed, so they can't post how it deviates.
I talked a lot to both Aquaro staff and Swiftech, and they agree on it from both sides. What tricked me here is how it worked fine with Asus PWM control, but that is because it doesn't follow PWM specs either..
In short, he Pump does not advertise its "pull up" signal on pin 4 (the 5v control signal) and Aquaro can't control it / doesn't see it as PWM (it wasn't clear to me, but the result is the same).
It's nice when people try to help out, but I could do without the arrogance displayed by some. Don't help if you don't want to.
Some made a real effort and I applaud that. It's just often people are being total Jerks if someone else can't figure something new out.
There is a way to wire the 5v pull up circuit;
http://www.overclock.net/t/1474470/ocn-a…0#post_21956203
Have you actually tried it yourself? Or did you just hit Google? I can use Google myself
I have read that post myself, and it's for a D5, which is not the same as MCP 35x pump.
I'm not going to risk ruin a €100 pump by doing that, nor my MB or Aquaro.
I have ordered a DIY set for another older non-pwm pump I have though - just finding and ordering the parts for the above mod would be more expensive an take more time!
:http://www.diyinhk.com/shop/ddc-pump/41-…red-mcp355.html
Dintid
Full Member
Donnerstag, 12. Februar 2015, 00:06
Yes I read it myself. OK, I'm done trying to help you.
It's just rather hard when people throw links about them and not add their own experiences to them. Sorry if my natural sceptism of single-liners forum helpers offended you.
Many people only post for post-Count, so have to have some substantiality other than just a link reference.
mandrix
Full Member
Donnerstag, 12. Februar 2015, 00:08
Yes I read it myself. OK, I'm done trying to help you.
It's just rather hard when people throw links about them and not add their own experiences to them. Sorry if my natural sceptism of single-liners forum helpers offended you.
Many people only post for post-Count, so have to have some substantiality other than just a link reference.
Post count? I'm 62 years old...I don't care about childish crap like that, I assure.
I know the lady that wrote that post I linked. She is something of an electronics wiz and is always coming up with her own circuits and controllers for her pc's.
Dintid
Full Member
Donnerstag, 12. Februar 2015, 00:23
Yes I read it myself. OK, I'm done trying to help you.
It's just rather hard when people throw links about them and not add their own experiences to them. Sorry if my natural sceptism of single-liners forum helpers offended you.
Many people only post for post-Count, so have to have some substantiality other than just a link reference.
Post count? I'm 62 years old...I don't care about childish crap like that, I assure.
I know the lady that wrote that post I linked. She is something of an electronics wiz and is always coming up with her own circuits and controllers for her pc's.
Nice. That was a way more personal post there, and I take it seriously.
I've had a rather annoying experience on these boards where people only link to something without any explanations or thought, give offhands comments about "read the manual" which I obviously did, but it turned out to be outdated.. hard to know that... and so on.
Especially when people spend much more time showing they know it, or at least pretend they do, and point into the distance but not actually sharing any information.. that is just arrogance and I can't stand it.
Jenko97
Junior Member
Mittwoch, 11. März 2015, 14:52
I also have 2 MCP35X pumps connected to the Aquaero 5lt Using a PWM Splitter cable to the Fan 4 header on the board and 2 molex connectors from my power supply.
I use OpenHardwareMonitor to get the cpu and gpu temperatures and then use aquasuite to find the average of those temperatures and control the pump with a curve using that value.
I can confirm that this works flawlessly on my setup when the pumps are set to PWM mode in Aquasuite.
I've been using this setup for over a year now without any problems so it's definitely not an error in newer versions of Aquasuite (I'm using 2015-3)
Not too sure if this was helpful, just thought I'd add this if you were still worried about pump problems.
I use OpenHardwareMonitor to get the cpu and gpu temperatures and then use aquasuite to find the average of those temperatures and control the pump with a curve using that value.
I can confirm that this works flawlessly on my setup when the pumps are set to PWM mode in Aquasuite.
I've been using this setup for over a year now without any problems so it's definitely not an error in newer versions of Aquasuite (I'm using 2015-3)
Not too sure if this was helpful, just thought I'd add this if you were still worried about pump problems.
InfoSeeker
Senior Member
Mittwoch, 11. März 2015, 15:21
Hi Jenko,
I am fairly new to water-cooling and am curious about your concept of:
If the GPU is idling, and the CPU is 100%, does the average temp then not reduce water flow to the CPU?
Please understand, I am NOT flaming... I am trying to learn.
I am fairly new to water-cooling and am curious about your concept of:
I use OpenHardwareMonitor to get the cpu and gpu temperatures and then use aquasuite to find the average of those temperatures and control the pump with a curve using that value.
If the GPU is idling, and the CPU is 100%, does the average temp then not reduce water flow to the CPU?
Please understand, I am NOT flaming... I am trying to learn.
Jenko97
Junior Member
Mittwoch, 11. März 2015, 16:19
I suppose it does but that situation almost never happens for me. When either cpu or gpu get too hot the other is never so far behind as to make for a biased reading. (They are both on separate loops)Hi Jenko,
I am fairly new to water-cooling and am curious about your concept of:
I use OpenHardwareMonitor to get the cpu and gpu temperatures and then use aquasuite to find the average of those temperatures and control the pump with a curve using that value.
If the GPU is idling, and the CPU is 100%, does the average temp then not reduce water flow to the CPU?
Please understand, I am NOT flaming... I am trying to learn.
If you feel uncomfortable with this (understandable) you could just take the highest value of the two instead for the virtual temp sensor.
My pumps are in a bay reservoir (http://koolance.com/rp-401x2-single-5-25…2-pmp-400-pumps) which makes them quite loud and after a bit of experimenting I find this to be the best way to keep them in check for me.
If your wondering, my usage consists of mostly gaming or light web browsing.
Jenko97
Junior Member
Mittwoch, 11. März 2015, 21:22
You're right, beyond 60% (around 160 l/h) there is really no improvement (at least from my experience).Do you see a significant decrease in temperatures when you speed up the pumps?
I did some very limited testing on my own and it confirmed the general consensus that after a certain flow rate is achieved, gains from higher flow rate are minimal, so it's always interesting to me when people use a different setup.
Kind regards,
Boris.
The reason I have a fan curve for my pumps is that even at 60% they are pretty noisey and since a lot of the time I'm only browsing the web, I might as well bring them down to around 25% as the temps remain below 40°C anyway.
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