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hadri

Junior Member

PWM Pump & Aquaero Start Up

Wednesday, January 20th 2016, 3:14pm

Hi all,

First time posting on this forum - I've posted the below on the OCUK forums,

I have a two loop WC build ran from PWM D5 pumps. The pumps are powered
direct from the PSU and controlled from my MB fan headers via my bios
fan control, running at a constant 100% speed.



I also have an aquaero 6 controlling fans, monitoring temps and most
importantly in this situation, monitoring flow rate on the aquabus which
is set to execute an emergency shutdown if the flow on either loop
drops.



OK so everything was happy days until last night when I tried to fiddle
with lowering the pump speeds. To cut a long story short, when running
on max, the MB disables PWM control (it actually states this too), but
when I lower it to anything other than 100%, it activates PWM. I can set
the pumps to an acceptable speed below the aquaero's emergency limit
BUT when I start up or reset, the MB presumably stops sending a PWM
signal to the pumps for a few seconds. I can hear the pumps spin down,
max out, then drop down to their set limit.



Unfortunately, this is enough time to trigger the aquaero alarm. From
what I can see, the aquaero software has an option to suspend all alarms
for x seconds on a boot up BUT not a reset.



There are no spare PWN fan channels on the aquaero. I could free up one without too much hassle, but before I do:



Options:

1: Can a MB maintain its PWM signal output during a reset?

2: Does the aquaero aquasuite software indeed have an option to ignore alarms on a reset as well as power on?

3: Not my favorite, but would aquasuite D5 pumps, controlled via aquaero aquabus fix all problems?



Thanks

Shoggy

Sven - Admin

Wednesday, January 20th 2016, 4:54pm

1.) I do not even understand the problem here. According to Intels PWM specifications the pumps should immediately start to run at full speed as soon as the PWM signal is not present anymore.

2.) Not possible because the aquaero does not know when you do a reset nor is there a way to trigger this because for the aquaero nothing changes when you perform a reset: the power is there all the time.

3.) Will solve the problem for sure.

hadri

Junior Member

Wednesday, January 20th 2016, 5:16pm

Thanks for your reply, it encouraged me to think of it another way and I think this may be the reason:

https://community.futuremark.com/forum/showthread.php?182990-For-those-of-you-guys-using-a-D5-PWM-pump

When the pump loses signal, it defaults to 60%, not 100. As I mistakenly brought the mps400 sensors, they can only sense 80l/hr min and I suspect at 60% power, it might be just enough to go below this flow rate and read as zero.

I'll report back after some testing.

Jakusonfire

Full Member

Wednesday, January 20th 2016, 6:54pm

When the PWM pumps are connected to a motherboard that is powered down the PWM signal is grounded out completely so the pump actually runs at minimum speed rather than the 60% PWM speed you get when the cable is disconnected.

hadri

Junior Member

Thursday, January 21st 2016, 8:55am

Ah that's interesting, thanks for your reply.... I'm not sure that's correct but I'll give it a go and report back. My thoughts are when I set the pump to 100% in my MB fan control, it reports saying "PWM disabled" and the pump runs 100% all the time

Otherwise its a case of buying a more sensitive flow sensor (not using them is not an option) or just leave the pump running 100%.

First world problems!

EDIT

Out of curiosity, can you modify a mps400 to a mps200??

This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "hadri" (Jan 21st 2016, 9:04am)

Shoggy

Sven - Admin

Thursday, January 21st 2016, 12:54pm

No, would only work into the other direction (200 to 400) and requires a precise modification of the inner diameter.

hadri

Junior Member

Thursday, January 21st 2016, 1:41pm

Thought so thanks.

One more question, if I ran both pumps from an aquaero fan header, would the PWM signal get interrupted during a reset like the mobo does, or would the aquaero maintain it?

Shoggy

Sven - Admin

Friday, January 22nd 2016, 8:44am

A rest will have no effect here because the quaero runs independently from the PC system. Nothing changes with the aquaero when you perform a reset so nothing changes for the pumps too of course.

hadri

Junior Member

Tuesday, January 26th 2016, 9:39am

Jackson, you were correct, the pumps do indeed spin down below 60% when the PWM signal is lost. I'll just run them at 100%, my flow rate is 0.66 GPM anyway!

GTXJackBauer

Full Member

Tuesday, January 26th 2016, 6:58pm

Jackson, you were correct, the pumps do indeed spin down below 60% when the PWM signal is lost. I'll just run them at 100%, my flow rate is 0.66 GPM anyway!
Why is your flow that low with 2 pumps? Are your pumps in serial configuration?

hadri

Junior Member

Wednesday, January 27th 2016, 8:44am

Hi,

It's two separate loops, so each loop has just one pump. I'm guessing it's the sheer amount of resistance, CPU loop has 6 blocks and one quad rad, GPU loop has 3 blocks, one quad and one dual rad. Each loop also has an aqua computer filter (I don't think that makes much difference tbh)

Jakusonfire

Full Member

Wednesday, January 27th 2016, 2:14pm

Holy Dooly

6 blocks is quite the CPU loop ... Lol. Mostly when people say CPU loop they mean just CPU.

I'm gonna test those filters one day because I'm suspicious that they may cause more restriction than it may seem

hadri

Junior Member

Wednesday, January 27th 2016, 2:38pm

Ha yea, I know it's completely pointless, but I also cool the MB (2 blocks), RAM (2 blocks) and aquaero (1 block). And of course the CPU itself!