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softlion

Junior Member

Leakshield fill level incorrect (visual appearance)

Friday, July 5th 2024, 9:43pm

Hello,
I have the ultitube 100 with leakshield and d5 next.


Each time I measure the fill level with aquasuite, it displays a wrong value.

For example, the current fill level displayed is 40%, but visually it is 60%.

To measure the fill level, I switched the Leakshield in Release mode.

If I deaerate the loop, I visually see the fill level go at 90%, but while deaerating, aquasuite is still displaying 40% fill level.

The D5 runs at 2000 rpm. Water temp is 33°. The loop has a 38cm height, 2 radiators, 1 pump, 2 waterblocks, nothing fancy.



That is an issue, because when I put the leaskshield in shield mode, it works. Then I load the CPU by playing some game, which increases the pump rpm to 4000. After a little time, the leakshield starts adding more negative pressure (why ? because the water temps increased to more than 40° ?). At some point, the ultitude is completely filled and the leakshield starts crying alert alert alert.

Any trick ?


Note: I took videos of the full setup from scrach, replacing my EK pump with the D5 next ultitube leakshield, showing how to plug and setup everything. If I have one remark, I'll go with your website. Honestly, it's horrible. You could at least create packs of show related or important items. For ex, I discovered I was missing 2 cables to link the D5 to the aquaero using aquabus: 1 Y as I already have an Octo, and 1 "nano" fan-like to plug into the D5. I did not forgot to buy the cable to switch off the power though, nor the 2 "nano" usb cables.

One thing I liked in the EK version, is the fixation system. I had to be very very lucky with your fixation system to get it right. Lucky I had parts that fits perfectly. That took me a full day scratching my head though to end with that idea.
?(

Saturday, July 6th 2024, 7:58am

Hello,
the LEAKSHIELD measures all the air in the circuit, not just the air in the AGB. You can recognize air in the circuit by the fact that the water level in the AGB rises sharply when the pressure builds up.

If your pump increases the speed, it builds up more pressure and the LEAKSHIELD reacts to this if you have activated adaptive mode in the settings.

Basically, I would set the pump speed to a comfortable volume with a good flow rate, but what constitutes a good flow rate is a question of faith. My D5 NEXT is set to 60%, so it is inaudible and delivers 126 l/h, which is unnecessarily high, but when I turn it down it becomes audible.


In addition, I would reduce the amount of water in a small AGB, the LEAKSHIELD needs air volume in the AGB to function properly, at least 100 ml is recommended.


As the amount of water does not change the cooling capacity, you have a good adjustment screw.

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softlion

Junior Member

Saturday, July 6th 2024, 12:59pm

Ok understood.

I already dearated the loop a few times. I will "shake" the whole tower a little more.


What do you think of those alerts from linkshield otherwise ?
I don't think they are legit.
Should I disable adaptative mode ?

https://imgur.com/a/fDHePUJ

Speedy-VI

Senior Member

Saturday, July 6th 2024, 7:03pm

You do need to pay attention to what special cables you need for Aquacomputer products and it can be confusing. The product manuals list the required cables and the Scope of Delivery in the Product Description lists all included cables and other accessories that are included with the product. Other cables specific to your needs are up to you to identify. The Alarm cable that attaches to your mobo power switch header is an option that is sold separately so it's up to the customer to decide if they want to use that feature.

Aquacomputer products normally come with the cables required to connect them, but Aquabus cables are usually not included. The D5 Next is SATA powered so that cable comes from your PSU. A USB cable is provided to connect the D5 Next to a USB2.0 header on the mobo. The RGBpx port can be configured as an Aquabus port but this is not a common configuration. Aquabus is a legacy serial bus connection that these days is usually only used to slave devices to an Aquaero controller, which is itself a legacy product. Most people are running Aquasuite with Windows, and the Next products all come with a USB connection cable. The Aquaero is a good solution for people running Linux or some other non-Windows operating system, or people who want their controller to run completely independent of Aquasuite.

softlion

Junior Member

Sunday, July 7th 2024, 7:24am

> You do need to pay attention to what special cables you need


Well no, you are the seller, you should provide us with packs for different test cases. A loop builder UI for ex would be perfect.


Also I do own an aquaero 6 pro since 7 years and do use that aquabus so when my windows 11 crashes or freezes, the pumps and fans don't go crazy running everything at full speed.
You would say Windows 11 never crashes ? Say that to Intel 13 and 14th gen CPU owners like me ...

Also I'm a mobile app developer, and Google switched to "qemu" on Windows since last november to power their mobile emulators.
qemu has a bug which randomly locks up Windows 11 (freeze or blue screen) and they did not found it "yet" (or they don't care - well I really think they don't care at all).

I even lost some data. First time that happens again since almost 10 years.






Another question quickly: how do the Leakshield can help draining the loop ?
It looks like it could open the circuit to let air in, so the fill port at the bottom of the loop can be used to drain the loop.
I don't see any option to "release and let air flow".

There is only the Release option, which equilibrates the pressure, which is not sufficient to drain the loop.

Speedy-VI

Senior Member

Monday, July 8th 2024, 3:25am

> You do need to pay attention to what special cables you need
Well no, you are the seller, you should provide us with packs for different test cases. A loop builder UI for ex would be perfect.
A loop builder UI is a great idea, sort of like what CableMod has done with their products. Aquacomputer is a small company with limited resources. They have stated that they do a lot of work for clients they can’t disclose that has nothing to do with computer custom liquid cooling loops. That was the explanation they gave on the German forum after they posted concept pics of an RTX4000 GPU block then never released it. I don’t see them investing the time and money to put together a loop builder UI, but maybe. It would be very helpful with their products, which is some cases are not well or fully documented.
Also I do own an aquaero 6 pro since 7 years and do use that aquabus so when my windows 11 crashes or freezes, the pumps and fans don't go crazy running everything at full speed.
You would say Windows 11 never crashes ? Say that to Intel 13 and 14th gen CPU owners like me ...
You don’t have to convince me that any Windows system is not fail proof. I work in an industry that involves extremely high reliability control hardware. We have an old saying – “How many Windows computers are in the cockpit of an jet airplane? Answer - None. There is a reason for that.”
Another question quickly: how do the Leakshield can help draining the loop ?
It looks like it could open the circuit to let air in, so the fill port at the bottom of the loop can be used to drain the loop.
I don't see any option to "release and let air flow".
[There is only the Release option, which equilibrates the pressure, which is not sufficient to drain the loop.
The Leakshield can suck coolant in – “Refill system” on page 19 of the manual. I don’t think it can push coolant out. When I changed from distilled (with biocide) to DP Ultra, I just removed the Leakshield from the top of the Ultitube and then opened the drain valve. If coolant gets stuck in a low spot or in a rad I don’t think the Leakshield can do anything to force it out.

softlion

Junior Member

Monday, July 8th 2024, 8:25pm

> I just removed the Leakshield from the top of the Ultitube and then opened the drain valve.


That looks weird.


The competitors (like EKWB) now all have an additional drain hole at the top of the tube.


It looks like it would be easy to provide that feature by leaving the leakshield "valve" opened while draining. A "draining" mode.


Easy simple efficient. Top of the top.

Tuesday, July 9th 2024, 8:11am

The drain function of the LEAKSHIELD is realized via this adapter, as you can see you have to unscrew the LEAKSHIELD anyway.


Making comparisons with other products is pointless, especially because your comparison doesn't fit, most AGBs have more than one port in the lid, or a completely removable lid like the Ultitube or the Heatkiller Tube, but no other has a directly screwed LEAKSHIELD.


However, it is not difficult to implement an air inlet in the circuit, e.g. a fill port in the lid on a T-piece in the loop.

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softlion

Junior Member

Tuesday, July 9th 2024, 11:32am

> However, it is not difficult to implement an air inlet in the circuit, e.g. a fill port in the lid on a T-piece in the loop.



Well one of the advertisement on the LeakShield, is the ability to fill the system using the fill port (I baught it).
I even read that this fill port can be used as a drain port.
I thought I could throw away my existing fill port and my existing drain port, making the whole loop much cleaner.
So I did that.

In reality, you can't fill your system by this fill port. You still need to initially fill it by pouring water in the ultitube and activating the pump.
That's also because the leakshield and the pump do not communicate with each other while filling or draining (windows is not running at those steps).
Ok, you can add water to an already filled loop using that fill port. I did it and it does work.

And for draining, you can't rely on the LeakShield (you confirmed it).
You can still use the fill port as the drain port though, if located at the bottom of the loop.
But you still need to manually remove the leakshield or open any fill port you have in your loop, and activate the pump to force push the water out of the circuit.

To conclude, all the promises are not there, and I would have planned my upgrade differently.

Tuesday, July 9th 2024, 11:47am

I forgot the link, this is the drain option of the LEAKSHIELD: https://shop.aquacomputer.de/Water-Cooli…tml?language=en
Filling the loop with the LEAKSHIELD works perfectly, only the LEAKSHIELD must have power, i do it every trime.
Of course, you still have to bleed the air afterwards.
I have never tried it with the LEAKSHIELD mounted on the Ultitube, as I don't have an Ultitube.
I always open a screw on my upper radiator to empty it anyway, although I have the adapter and a suitable PET bottle for vacuum emptying with the LEAKSHIELD, I don't use it out of laziness.

This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "Taubenhaucher" (Jul 9th 2024, 11:55am)

Es gibt keinen Ausweg, den ein Mensch nicht beschreitet, um die tatsächliche Arbeit des Denkens zu vermeiden.
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