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Where do I meassure room temp?

Montag, 13. März 2017, 02:08

I have placed the probe 2cm out from the middle of radiator (Mo-Ra 3 3x3x120mm) which is covering most of the front of the PC. I'm guessing that's the best place as it is the actual temperature that is used by the radiator.

Anyone that has a different opinion?

I control the 2 pumps and the radiator fans from the difference of the air temperature in the room and the water temperature out of the radiator. This difference seems to be stable around 2.5C when the PC isn't doing anything. On hard use the difference can rise to as much as 8C or even more, but this only happends during stress tests with Aida64. In these cases the radiator will easily cool the water 6C or more, but the water and room temperature will gradually rise. Not sure how high it eventually will go, but I have a window I can open and an air conditioner I can turn on, in worst case. I have the PC placed under a large desk I made for the 3 monitors and a place for all the stuff I have on the desk, but that makes it difficult for the air around the PC to escape, so I placed 3x120mm fans under it, to pull cool air down there (actually the noiciest thing in the room, even if you hardly hear them heheh).

CPU Intel core 7 5960x (4x4.4GHz+4x4.5GHz)
GPU ROG Strix 1080GTX OC (2151MHz/2752MHz)
RAM Dominator Platinum 3200 (3200MHz)

This is stable OC.
The CPU can be OC'ed up to 4,7, but it will eventually crash; probably have to some serious work on the OC'ing if I want it that high.
The GPU will crash a lot in Unigine Valley if I go above 2151MHz, but I've been able to run it on 2164MHz. The GPU Memory clock seems to be easier to OC, but the effect doesn't seem to be high.
The RAM can not be OC'ed further unless I do some serious work in BIOS, I guess.

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lovan6

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Montag, 13. März 2017, 03:22

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Montag, 13. März 2017, 04:03

I did some of the same inside the cabinet. Put a 9mm heatshrink around the sensor and shrunk the lower part so it fit into a hole. Seems to work well as it's hardly disturb by the airflow. Will try the same here. Thanks.

lovan6

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Montag, 13. März 2017, 04:18

The sample provided I use petg but works well using aquarium hose tube plug by 2 neoprene taken from an old mouse pad. i use 2 sensors on intake and set as average temperature. I run Prime 95 and unigine at the same time and ambient is steady even on heavy load and does not affect ambient temp rise. I saw the same concept on my airconditioning thermo control to read ambient temp near the evaporator.

Montag, 13. März 2017, 04:38

I'll have to recalibrate all termometers over night. Seems things have changed since I moved the PC from the work bench, downstairs, and up here to the "office". Even with one side panel open and a blower blowing air from the same place as the intake for the radiator doesn't drop the temp diff below ~2C. I'll turn off the PC, close the door and leave it for 12 hours or so, then check with the Aquaero how the temps look.

Montag, 13. März 2017, 05:08

A picture link I think

Until I get something better. A hose filled with foam and the sensor in the middle.

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Montag, 13. März 2017, 22:58

Ended up in a whole lot of ¤#%/&()(.

The tubes I used aren't good enough, they conduct heat and can't be placed in front of the radiator. Will have to find some stuff for that.

Turned out I have way too much power for air going into the cabinet. Was trying to test it out and managed to get negative delta between cabinet and room (ie, it was warmer outside the cabinet than inside). After some head scratching I found tht there was so much positive pressure inside the cabinet that it was forced out through the radiator, against the air flow made by the fans there. I knew I had gone over the top with all fans being push/pull, but that 4+4 fans in the rear are able to overcome 9+9 fans in the radiator and 2+2 fans pulling air out over the motherboard was more than I bargained for. Guess I have to take into accout that the filter, although a good one, has to much friction (or whatever you call it when it comes to filters). So, now it's all back to testing, trying to figure out the optimum way of cooling this monster. It was working, btw, with the temp probe in front of the radiator, but the flow out through the radiator destroyed it. Might just have to find the limit and set a max rpm.

Dienstag, 14. März 2017, 00:02

I usually recommend all points of filters as intake and those not, as exhaust to minimize the dust build up internally.

Dienstag, 14. März 2017, 00:52

Yeah, but I got a total of 15 120 holes and 4 80 holes on the top. As it is now I use the 2 outs behind the MB as outtake, the rest as in and let the over pressure get rid of the rest through the top 4 holes. This is obviously not enough (or too much, depends on hwo you see it), so I'll turn the in-fans at the back to blow air out. Will see what that does.

Dienstag, 14. März 2017, 06:45

Usually I advise front/bottom (presumably filtered) intake and top/back exhaust in most towers.

In unique situations like mine, I have the front/bottom sides intake along with the top because its filtered and the tall unfiltered back with a single 120mm as exhaust. Has worked out well for quite some time.

I run a single air probe in the front behind its filter and two more air probes to the top under the filter as well.

I run two water temp probes on the top rad's in and out.

I've set up a few delta's in the AQ suite.

1. Delta between the average of both air and water temp.

2. Air Delta temp average.

3. Water temp average.

4. GPU Delta temp

My fans and pumps curve are based on the water temp sensor out from the top rad.

Since the loop will reach an equilibrium, I'm not worried where the water temp sensors are positioned.

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Dienstag, 14. März 2017, 20:40

I am concerned about radiant heat from radiators, so I do not place the ambient temperature sensor near a radiator.
As my unit is a desktop, I just snake a temp sensor out the rear, and let the sensor hang below the desk.
There are other cables back there anyway, none of which are visible from the front.

Dienstag, 14. März 2017, 23:36

My air sensors don't heat up since they're on the intake side of the rads and fans.

Water temp probes being on the top is fine since the water of the loop will reach its equilibrium. The in and out water sensors differ about 0.5c from each other at the most, which is usually the average for everyone as there really isn't much of a difference.

Dienstag, 14. März 2017, 23:41

Changed direction on the 4+4 fans on the right side back and it did indeed help. It actually looks like I can't get negative pressure even with all the fans in the back at full speed. I've ordered 4 80mm fans to put on the top to see if that can help getting the air out.

Fans out, back is 12 fans in a pull/push configuration.
Fans in through the radiator, front is 18 fans in a pull/push configuration.
The radiator is a Mo-Ra 3 Pro (yeah, I mounted it in the front of the cabinet, got MountainMods to make a special front for me hehe).

With the front fans at 400rpm and the back fans at 1000rpm the water temp is about 1.4C above Room temp, and the cabinet temp is about 3.8C above the room temp.
With the front fans at 400rpm and the back fans at max (almost 2000rpm) the water temp is about 0.1C above room temp, and the cabinet temp is about 1.6C above the room temp, and even with these settings there's a healthy positive pressure inside).

The cooling of the radiator is about -2.8C. The only thing heating the water seems to be the Aquaero where the water rises about 2.2C (heavy use of 2 of the amps, but even so, they are hardly above 29C, half a degree higher than the 2 amps used for the radiator fans). The CPU is 0.2C and the GPU 0.4C. I removed the water blocks on the X99 and Mosfets, the MB looks better without them heheh.

The sensors was calibrated by leaving the cabinet open (sides and top removed) and letting it stand in a closed room for about 12 hours. I then used a normal termometer as basis, since the real temperature isn't as significant as the difference in the tempratures.

The room temp is meassure about 15cm below the desk and 15cm in front of the top part of the Cabinet, a little over where the radiator starts. The probe is placed in foam (to keep it from touching the sides) inside a small tube previously used for a refrigerator termomether. This should keep the sensor from getting disturbed by wind and also from fluctuating too fast.

When I get the new fans and have everything set up to keep the delta temps at 1.5C for both cabinet and water I'll make a video of the Aquasuite with all the meassurments while doing a stress test. ;)

Dienstag, 14. März 2017, 23:49

80mm fans can be used as torturing tools. While I sometimes miss their audibles for a sec, I remind myself why I regret hearing them a min later.

Mittwoch, 15. März 2017, 00:01

I ordered 4 SilenX, iXtrema Pro, IXP-52-14, 80x15. Have used them before and they are ok. What makes noise in the room is the 3 120mm fans mounted under the side of the desk, to keep cold air flowing under it (the power supply I use for them can be set to several different voltages between 3v and 12v, I'll reduce it from 12v later, when I know that the PC cooling is as I want it). ;)

Oh, and the damned pumps (2 Aquastreams, 1 Ultima and 1 XT). I got my brother in law to make an acrylic plate wich I mounted on those yellow rubber screws, and I even put a 2,5cm stub of rubber hose after the outlet of the pumps (I use plastic tubes and they carry vibration), but even so, the vibration from the pumps, even at 3000rpm, is notcable, not bad, even at max they aren't too bad, but it's definately the noisiest thing inside the caboinet, on reasonable normal use (turning the fans up to max will make more noise, but mostly from the wind they generate).

Mittwoch, 15. März 2017, 02:31

My air sensors don't heat up since they're on the intake side of the rads and fans.

Radiant heat effect is distance dependent, not air temperature dependent.
Think of the Sun heating the Earth with a vacuum between the two.

Mittwoch, 15. März 2017, 04:40

My air sensors don't heat up since they're on the intake side of the rads and fans.

Radiant heat effect is distance dependent, not air temperature dependent.
Think of the Sun heating the Earth with a vacuum between the two.


I know its not a perfect setup but it will do for now.

I will add another probe in the front eventually, where there's no radiator and get the average on that and offset the top to the front. I might even add two probes for the rear to see the exhaust temps for giggles but don't think my temp wires are long enough but might actually have extenders laying around somewhere for that.

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Freitag, 17. März 2017, 13:56

Oh, and the damned pumps (2 Aquastreams, 1 Ultima and 1 XT). I got my brother in law to make an acrylic plate wich I mounted on those yellow rubber screws, and I even put a 2,5cm stub of rubber hose after the outlet of the pumps (I use plastic tubes and they carry vibration), but even so, the vibration from the pumps, even at 3000rpm, is notcable, not bad, even at max they aren't too bad, but it's definately the noisiest thing inside the caboinet, on reasonable normal use (turning the fans up to max will make more noise, but mostly from the wind they generate).

From your description, it appears you have the pumps hard mounted to the acrylic plate, and the acrylic plate is then mounted on yellow vibration isolation screws.
If I understand correctly, the acrylic plate is probably acting like a drum head and amplifying the vibration noise.

Adding vibration isolators between the pumps and the acrylic plate should help bring the noise down.
You can use either the Shoggy Sandwich, which comes in yellow and black, or you can use isolation bolts, which can be purchased in yellow or black.

Freitag, 17. März 2017, 16:17

The power cable from the XT is touching the side window as well, not enough room for the old Molex plugg. I'll by another Ultima later. The Ultimas free up 1 curve controller each, in the Aquasuite, which is sorely needed.

When it comes to flow, is it better to keep both pumps at the same rpm or is it ok to, as I do, let the first pump start and then let the second kick in later? I have set the first to run from 1,5 to 4,5C and the second from 2,5 to 5,5C, that way there won't be any "vacum", and the second one only kicks in after heavy or long use.

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