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Watercooling setup advices
Sonntag, 2. Januar 2022, 18:10
Hello,
I am looking for an expert to help me validate this setup.
It's my first watercooling, I would like to be sure not to make any mistake.
My case is a Thermaltake Level 20 HT, on which I would like to mount two pump/reservoir combos (for the esthetic
).
And I have several questions, about the watercooling first, but also about the aquacomputer products, whose connectivity is not very obvious
.
Here is a diagram of what I would like to achieve, that I tried to simplify :
https://imgur.com/a/AWyvlRx
And finally some questions :
1- I crossed the pump outputs, so I have one loop instead of two separate ones. The two sides will probably not offer the same resistance to the flow, is there a risk to see one reservoir emptying and the other one overflowing?
2- A single loop allows me to put only one flow sensor. I put this flow sensor to have an alarm that will turn off the motherboard. But, just thinking, if there is a flow problem, then the temperature will rise, so the alarm could be triggered based on temp, and without any flow sensor. What do you think about it ?
3- I put two Splitty9. I haven't bought the fans yet, I don't know their final consumption. One channel of the Quadro provides 25W, so if my fans consume more, I may need four Splitty4 to spread the watts on 2 channels of each Quadro. Correct ?
4- I put two Quadro. Would I have anything to gain by putting an Aero 6 instead?
5- For the leds, I was thinking of connecting everything to the aRGB connector of my motherboard (It supports 120 leds max, that should be enough). If not, should I rely on a Farbwerk device? How to wire it?
6- Each Quadro controls the PWM of one pump and six fans, via one Splitter9 (or two Splitter4, see question 4). So I would have 2 (or 3) channels occupied. Correct?
7- more globally, do you see a problem with this setup? Any better idea?
Thanks in advance for your help.
And happy new year to all !
Philippe
I am looking for an expert to help me validate this setup.
It's my first watercooling, I would like to be sure not to make any mistake.
My case is a Thermaltake Level 20 HT, on which I would like to mount two pump/reservoir combos (for the esthetic
).And I have several questions, about the watercooling first, but also about the aquacomputer products, whose connectivity is not very obvious
.Here is a diagram of what I would like to achieve, that I tried to simplify :
https://imgur.com/a/AWyvlRx
And finally some questions :
1- I crossed the pump outputs, so I have one loop instead of two separate ones. The two sides will probably not offer the same resistance to the flow, is there a risk to see one reservoir emptying and the other one overflowing?
2- A single loop allows me to put only one flow sensor. I put this flow sensor to have an alarm that will turn off the motherboard. But, just thinking, if there is a flow problem, then the temperature will rise, so the alarm could be triggered based on temp, and without any flow sensor. What do you think about it ?
3- I put two Splitty9. I haven't bought the fans yet, I don't know their final consumption. One channel of the Quadro provides 25W, so if my fans consume more, I may need four Splitty4 to spread the watts on 2 channels of each Quadro. Correct ?
4- I put two Quadro. Would I have anything to gain by putting an Aero 6 instead?
5- For the leds, I was thinking of connecting everything to the aRGB connector of my motherboard (It supports 120 leds max, that should be enough). If not, should I rely on a Farbwerk device? How to wire it?
6- Each Quadro controls the PWM of one pump and six fans, via one Splitter9 (or two Splitter4, see question 4). So I would have 2 (or 3) channels occupied. Correct?
7- more globally, do you see a problem with this setup? Any better idea?
Thanks in advance for your help.
And happy new year to all !
Philippe
Montag, 3. Januar 2022, 11:02
The temperature only rises locally on the cpu/gpu. Without Flow, the hot water is not transported to the Temperature Sensor, so the sensor does not detect the rise in temperature.But, just thinking, if there is a flow problem, then the temperature will rise, so the alarm could be triggered based on temp, and without any flow sensor. What do you think about it ?
You cannot connect the D5 Pumps to your Motherboard ARGB Header. The D5 Next Pumps must be connected to the Mainboard with USB, and you have to use the Aquasuite Software to change the RGB Lighting effects. If you dont have enough free internal USB Ports, you can buy a Hubby7.7- more globally, do you see a problem with this setup? Any better idea?
Why dont you use a single OCTO instead?4- I put two Quadro.
Why dont you use the RGBpx Controls of the Quadro/OCTO for your RGB Lighting?
Zitat
5- For the leds, I was thinking of connecting everything to the aRGB connector of my motherboard (It supports 120 leds max, that should be enough). If not, should I rely on a Farbwerk device? How to wire it?
RE : Watercooling setup advices
Montag, 3. Januar 2022, 13:13
Yes, but only if the reservoirs aren't sealed. That air on top has to go somewhere
1- I crossed the pump outputs, so I have one loop instead of two separate ones. The two sides will probably not offer the same resistance to the flow, is there a risk to see one reservoir emptying and the other one overflowing?
2- A single loop allows me to put only one flow sensor. I put this flow sensor to have an alarm that will turn off the motherboard. But, just thinking, if there is a flow problem, then the temperature will rise, so the alarm could be triggered based on temp, and without any flow sensor. What do you think about it ?
Not really needed.. the pumps have a minimum speed they can't go below. if the pump fails, your components will thermal throttle and safely shut down before the water becomes that hot (no flow). And the possibility that a D5 pump fails, let alone two of them is pretty slim. You are working on solving an extremely rare fault.
Fans don't use that much power. you could run everything off a Quadro. If you want to play it on the safe side, either use active Splitty9, or go to an Octo3- I put two Splitty9. I haven't bought the fans yet, I don't know their final consumption. One channel of the Quadro provides 25W, so if my fans consume more, I may need four Splitty4 to spread the watts on 2 channels of each Quadro. Correct ?
You have no individual control on the LEDs on motherboard headers. You'll be better off using the Quadro/Octo headers to make fancier effects since you have them. The Octo has two headers, that's 2x 90 LEDs
5- For the leds, I was thinking of connecting everything to the aRGB connector of my motherboard (It supports 120 leds max, that should be enough). If not, should I rely on a Farbwerk device? How to wire it?
You don't want to control the pump speed along the fan speed. Better keep it individual, besides the NEXT pump is made to be controlled on its own through USB.
6- Each Quadro controls the PWM of one pump and six fans, via one Splitter9 (or two Splitter4, see question 4). So I would have 2 (or 3) channels occupied. Correct?
Maybe... use a single pump? it's much simpler and it has more than enough headroom to cool your setup. Double pumps is mostly good for very busy setups with a lot more rads, or very restrictive loops.. or jst for the looks.7- more globally, do you see a problem with this setup? Any better idea?
In your case it's absolutely not needed
Montag, 3. Januar 2022, 22:23
Hello,
Thank you for all your answers, I can now see almost as clearly as through clear coolant
Oh wait, no, I was thinking of using the CPU temperature, not the water temperature! (yes, I'm of bad faith )
, and little by little I added AquaComputer devices . And the aRGB connections stayed as they were. You're right, I would rather put everything on the Quadro/Octo.
the only reason I could see was to save the price of one flow sensor.
However, your remark raises a question: on my simplified diagram, I only drew 2 water blocks. But in reality I'll have 4: GPU, GPU backplate, CPU and RAM.
In case of one loop, would the resistance of these 4 waterblocks then justify having two pumps?
But your comment raises a question for me:
I've seen vent plugs like this : https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/32855387044.html
So I thought that the circuit must not be hermetic...
Does it have to be? What am I not understanding?
I thought I could connect the pump PWM on one channel and the fans PWMs on another channel... And control the pump/fan speeds independently, using AquaSuite.
Did I understand correctly?
On the other hand, I didn't want to use the D5 NEXT with its screen. I plan to use a real screen + Aida64 for monitoring. That's why I'm talking about a simple D5 PWM pump.
Also I have seen several posts saying that PWM on the pump is not very useful, that most of the temperature is controlled by the fans, and that the pump flow has little effect on the temperature.
If this is true, then I can even go for a D5 without PWM, set the speed by its potentiometer and forget about it.
What do you think about this?
.
Although I have a problem with aesthetics, my case requires some symmetry. Well I can make a fake pump out of wood, just to make the symmetry, It is feasible for a basic D5, but it would be really complicated to make a fake D5 Next
Anyway, sorry for this huge post
Thanks a lot for all your comments, much appreciated.
Philippe
Thank you for all your answers, I can now see almost as clearly as through clear coolant
Oh shame! I didn't even think of that!Without Flow, the hot water is not transported to the Temperature Sensor, so the sensor does not detect the rise in temperature.
Oh wait, no, I was thinking of using the CPU temperature, not the water temperature! (yes, I'm of bad faith
)Sorry for my confusing diagram. Only the LED ring is connected to the motherboard. The PWM pump motor is connected to the Quadro.You cannot connect the D5 Pumps to your Motherboard ARGB Header.
You are right. In fact, it's a relic of my previous diagram version, where I had two independent loops, and I had just made a copy/paste left/right, and with two flow sensors, and thus two quadros (Octo has only one flow connector).Why dont you use a single OCTO instead?
Same, this is a relic of my very first diagram where I tried to use only the motherboard... But I quickly realized that it was not enoughWhy dont you use the RGBpx Controls of the Quadro/OCTO for your RGB Lighting?
, and little by little I added AquaComputer devices . And the aRGB connections stayed as they were. You're right, I would rather put everything on the Quadro/Octo.OK,There is no reason to cross connect the two pumps...
the only reason I could see was to save the price of one flow sensor
.However, your remark raises a question: on my simplified diagram, I only drew 2 water blocks. But in reality I'll have 4: GPU, GPU backplate, CPU and RAM.
In case of one loop, would the resistance of these 4 waterblocks then justify having two pumps?Well that's enough, I've already had enough shameThat air on top has to go somewhere
But your comment raises a question for me:
I've seen vent plugs like this : https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/32855387044.html
So I thought that the circuit must not be hermetic...
Does it have to be? What am I not understanding?Fans don't use that much power. you could run everything off a Quadro. If you want to play it on the safe side, either use active Splitty9, or go to an Octo
Yes, as I said it is a remnant of an old diagram. You're right, I would rather put everything on the Octo.You have no individual control on the LEDs on motherboard headers. You'll be better off using the Quadro/Octo headers to make fancier effects since you have them. The Octo has two headers, that's 2x 90 LEDs
Are you saying that on the Quadro, the pump and fan control are not separate?You don't want to control the pump speed along the fan speed. Better keep it individual, besides the NEXT pump is made to be controlled on its own through USB.
I thought I could connect the pump PWM on one channel and the fans PWMs on another channel... And control the pump/fan speeds independently, using AquaSuite.
Did I understand correctly?On the other hand, I didn't want to use the D5 NEXT with its screen. I plan to use a real screen + Aida64 for monitoring. That's why I'm talking about a simple D5 PWM pump.
Also I have seen several posts saying that PWM on the pump is not very useful, that most of the temperature is controlled by the fans, and that the pump flow has little effect on the temperature.
If this is true, then I can even go for a D5 without PWM, set the speed by its potentiometer and forget about it.
What do you think about this?Like I said, I'm actually going to have 4 waterblocks. I'm interested in what you're saying, if I can save a pump, I'd like thatMaybe... use a single pump?
.Although I have a problem with aesthetics, my case requires some symmetry. Well I can make a fake pump out of wood, just to make the symmetry
, It is feasible for a basic D5, but it would be really complicated to make a fake D5 Next Anyway, sorry for this huge post
Thanks a lot for all your comments, much appreciated.
Philippe
Montag, 3. Januar 2022, 23:22
the active backplate is usually very low restriction. RAM is even easier since they usually don't even have fins at all.. consider that block to be a pipe
A single pump will be more than adequate. (i run a GPU + active backplate, CPU, 3 rads, tons of 90° fittings and still manage over 200L/h with the pump at full speed.. giving me the same temps i have at 120).
For the pump and fans control, i understood you the other way. I thought you were going to have the same control for pump and fans, but as you say, of course it's better to have them separate!
I'd still go with a PWM pump even if you run it on fixed speed. Easier to adjust the speed from aquasuite than open the case and try to wiggle a screwdriver under the motor.
It's true flow has very little impact on temperature, up to a point. With high power GPUs, flow start to matter. On the 3090, there's not much benefit in going over 100 - 120L/h. But if you want to run the pump slow for silence at idle, you may want to create a speed curve for the pump, so you have enough flow when loading the GPU.
But again, you may as well just leave it at a moderate speed and leave it there, it will be perfectly fine.
A single pump will be more than adequate. (i run a GPU + active backplate, CPU, 3 rads, tons of 90° fittings and still manage over 200L/h with the pump at full speed.. giving me the same temps i have at 120).
For the pump and fans control, i understood you the other way. I thought you were going to have the same control for pump and fans, but as you say, of course it's better to have them separate!
I'd still go with a PWM pump even if you run it on fixed speed. Easier to adjust the speed from aquasuite than open the case and try to wiggle a screwdriver under the motor.
It's true flow has very little impact on temperature, up to a point. With high power GPUs, flow start to matter. On the 3090, there's not much benefit in going over 100 - 120L/h. But if you want to run the pump slow for silence at idle, you may want to create a speed curve for the pump, so you have enough flow when loading the GPU.
But again, you may as well just leave it at a moderate speed and leave it there, it will be perfectly fine.
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