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Speedy-VI

Senior Member

D5 Next Fan/Flow Sensor Header - Flow mode question

Mittwoch, 1. Juni 2022, 22:24

In the D5 Next owner's manual, Section 5.3 states that the Fan header can be configured to connect a flow sensor. The compatible products listed are:

Flow Sensor with 5.6mm nozzle - #53061
Flow sensor "high flow" - #53068
Connection cable for flow sensor - #53027, #53100

I searched the Aquacomputer Shop and Support sites for these part numbers. #53061 and #53100 do not appear on the Shop or Support page.

#53068 does not come up on the Shop page if typed into the search box but does appear on the Support page as "Flow Sensor High Flow" which downloads a 1 page manual that lists 2 connection cables - #53027 and #53212. Both cables have the same 3-pin while connector on one end which I think plugs into the High Flow sensor. The other end is either a 3-pin fan connector (#53027) which I think plugs into the Fan/Flow header on the D5 Next, or a 3-pin pico-blade connector (#53212) which plugs into the Flow header on a Quadro, Octo, Vision, or Farbwerk360.

My questions are:

Are AC part numbers #53061 (Flow Sensor with 5.6mm nozzle) and #53100 (some type of cable) listed in the D5 Next owner's manual discontinued?

Is the High Flow Sensor #53068 a current product or has it been replaced by the High Flow 2 (#53292)?

Is the Fan/Flow port on the D5 Next, in Flow mode, only compatible with the High Flow sensor #53068, using cable #53027, or is it also compatible with the High Flow 2 (#53292) and the High Flow LT (#53291)?

If the Fan/Flow port on the D5 Next is compatible with the High Flow 2 (#53292) and the High Flow LT (#53291), does it use the very complicated looking cable (#53291-3?) that has what appears to be a 6-pin connector on the flow sensor end and a breakout to 4 different connectors on the other end (PICTURE)

What do the 4 different connectors on this complicated cable plug into? The larger beige connector looks like it would plug into the Fan/Flow header on the D5 Next. The small white connector looks like it would plug into the Flow header on a Quadro, Octo, Vision, or Farbwerk360. What does the black 2-pin and small white 2-pin connector plug into?

Can a High Flow Next (#53293) be connected to the Fan/Flow port on the D5 Next or does the USB connection replace this older architecture? The only headers on a High Flow Next that could possibly be used are Signal and Aquabus headers.

Thanks in advance for any clarification.

Ytterbium

Full Member

Mittwoch, 1. Juni 2022, 22:57

I have both D5N and HFN so I can report back some answers.

The #53061 - is listed in aqua suite as Digmesa sensor searching for this is name of swiss company that makes flow sensors it has a 3 pin fan header so it would seem likely that the operating principle is via an RPM signal comparable to a fan.

Seems like a 3pin to 3pin F-F fan cable while not common wouldn't be impossible to find or make.


High Flow Next (#53293) has the optional #53294 which gives a RPM signal so could physically be connected to the D5, there is plenty of adjustment options in the software so it seem likely that you could get it to work.


The D5 next has a virtual flow sensor, I used the calibration of this get a baseline adjustment and then further calibration and adjustment of the D5 virtual sensor with the HFN. I have my fans connected to the D5 and adjust there speed based on the water temperature measurement built in to the D5.

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Taubenhaucher

God

Donnerstag, 2. Juni 2022, 07:43

There are currently only three sensors left, the high flow NEXT, high flow 2 and high flow LT.
The hf 2 and hf LT can be connected to the D5 NEXT via the supplied cable, the hf NEXT is operated via USB anyway, the cable 53294 is optional.
Es gibt keinen Ausweg, den ein Mensch nicht beschreitet, um die tatsächliche Arbeit des Denkens zu vermeiden.
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Speedy-VI

Senior Member

Donnerstag, 2. Juni 2022, 17:55

Thank you for the clarifications. I guess the D5 Next owner's manual section 5.3 is just out of date.

Regarding the HF-2 and the HF-LT, I think the included cable is the complicated one with a 6-pin connector at the sensor end and a breakout to the following on the other end:

a "regular" 3-pin fan connector (to D5 Next Fan header)
a pico-blade 3-pin connector (to Quadro, Octo, Vision, Farbwerk360 Flow header)
a "regular" 2-pin temp sensor connector (to mobo Temp header)
a small white 2-pin temp connector (to Quadro, Octo, Vision, Farbwerk360 Temp header)

The HF-LT does not have an integral temp sensor so the 2-pin connectors on this cable would be inactive with the HF-LT. This all makes sense. The only part that is unclear is the wiring of the 3-pin connectors. The "regular" fan connector gets Red, White, and Black. The pico-blade Flow connector gets Green, White, and Black. One plugs into a Fan header and the other plugs into a Flow header so I guess the signals are different. Apparently this was not the case with the High Flow sensor because based on the cables listed (#53027, #53212) it only had one 3-pin output header. I am curious what the difference is between the Green wire and the Red wire in this breakout cable because the original High Flow sensor sent the same exact signals to a Fan Header and a Flow header but the HF-2 and HF-LT have a separate 3rd conductor for these 2 connectors.

Ytterbium

Full Member

Donnerstag, 2. Juni 2022, 22:55

How about this?

a "regular" 3-pin fan connector (to D5 Next Fan header)
Pin 1: GND - Black
Pin 2: 12 V / max. 25 W - Red
Pin 3: Speed signal -White
Pin 4: PWM signal - n/c

a pico-blade 3-pin connector (to Quadro, Octo, Vision, Farbwerk360 Flow header)

Pin 1: GND - Black
Pin 2: flow sensor +5 V - Green
Pin 3: Speed signal - White

a "regular" 2-pin temp sensor connector (to mobo Temp header)

Pin 1: GND - Black
Pin 2: signal- Red

a small white 2-pin temp connector (to Quadro, Octo, Vision, Farbwerk360 Temp header)




Pin 1: GND - Black
Pin 2: signal- Red

Speedy-VI

Senior Member

Freitag, 3. Juni 2022, 05:14

This makes perfect sense except I do not understand why the Red wire is necessary in this case. There is no PWM fan. The old High Flow had a 3-pin header based on the 2 cables listed for it. The only difference in these cables is the connector on the other end. One is a regular 3-pin fan connector and the other is a pico-blade connector. They both get the same 3 conductors which I assume are GND, Speed Signal, and +5VDC. Why doesn't this cable just loop the green wire from connector to connector like the black and white wires? Why does the cable for a D5 Next need to have a different wire (the Red wire) for the HF-2 and HF-LT, but not for the old High Flow, which used the same 3 wires for both?

Ytterbium

Full Member

Freitag, 3. Juni 2022, 08:09

Maybe since the flow is emulating a fan then the expected voltage is +12 V? there is the hall effect switch in the 12 V line that opens and closes as the magnet on the impeller passes the sensor so you need a supply voltage to the switch to have something to detect on the speed signal wire.

Maybe the old HF was a 12 V device and the new ones are 5 V so there needed to be a change in the wiring loom to support this?

We have to wait for AC to pitch in (although its somewhat proprietary information) or if some one has a HF then they could measure the voltages with meter.

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Speedy-VI

Senior Member

Freitag, 3. Juni 2022, 16:17

Yes I suppose it is due to some difference in the flow sensors. If the old sensor required 12VDC, the pico-blade connector does not provide this. Its a mystery I guess. It's all really academic and just my curiosity.

Thanks for sharing your insights about this.

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